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Re: Cloud Storage

Post by dorift » Fri 20 Dec, 2013 12:26 pm

Ugh... Hate to whine but fuck, more cost I'll have to consider.
I do need to organise something with cloud storage.
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Re: Cloud Storage

Post by iano » Fri 20 Dec, 2013 12:40 pm

I've got the same dilemma....

Up until now I've just been casting a bigger and bigger net - i.e more and more ext drives. My entire photo library (which is all the data I really care about) has 4x redundancy - it's on 4 separate drives (not all are external though). Everything else, music, docs etc fits on my free dropbox storage. Having read this thread I'm now going to scatter some drives between close relatives off site and ask them to hook it up once every few weeks. Although keeping them refreshed could be a pain :ohwell

Putting the entire library on a cloud would be inconvenient and expensive - it's 600gig and climbing.
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Re: Cloud Storage

Post by cGr » Fri 20 Dec, 2013 1:02 pm

Crashplan or dropbox are the easiest, and ~$5/mth for unlimited storage in crashplan is hard to go past.

This is the sort of thing which scares me: http://searchcloudstorage.techtarget.co ... &ad=889027
The bombshell news this week that cloud storage provider Nirvanix was going out of business turned a cloud customer's worst fear into reality. The sudden end raises the question: What do you do when your cloud provider goes out of business?

Nirvanix sent a confidential email notifying customers the company would discontinue service on Oct. 15 and that they have two weeks to move data off its cloud.

"We've had a half a dozen customers asking us for help, but there is very little I can do for them," Nasuni CEO Andres Rodriguez said. "There is not enough bandwidth to get the data out in time."

Nirvanix has Fortune 500 companies using their cloud, including National Geographic, Fox News Group, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, General Electric and NBC Universal.

The cloud provider who requested anonymity said the news came as a shock.

"Their setup was awesome," he said. "They had a who's-who of customers. It's shocking. This was a shining-star product. I loved these guys. Nobody [else] syncs automatically to multiple sites. They had authentication and multiple gateways. SoftLayer is good enough but it does not have the bells and whistles Nirvanix had. I don't know what happened."

Despite all that awesomeness, startup Nirvanix could not compete on price with public cloud giants such as Amazon, Google and Microsoft. Nirvanix raised $70 million in funding, with the last round of $25 million coming in May 2012. Forrester's Baltazar said the company was going for a fourth round of funding and suspects the deal fell through.

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Post by iano » Fri 20 Dec, 2013 1:14 pm

If they didn't allow enough time/bandwidth for customers to retrieve their data......prepare to get butt raped in subsequent litigation!
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Re: Cloud Storage

Post by cGr » Fri 20 Dec, 2013 1:30 pm

$70m of funding down the tube, do you think the owners really care about their clients pursuing them for legal action?

It sucks, don't get me wrong, but this (legal issues) is just one of the problems with "the cloud". At this point in time at least. Kinda like buying Betamax and then getting 'butt raped' when VHS came out :P

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Re: Cloud Storage

Post by daBOODA » Fri 20 Dec, 2013 1:37 pm

Can't get blood out of a bankrupted stone.

You'd have your data duplicated on multiple cloud company's networks if you're super worried about this sort of thing, no?
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Post by spitex » Fri 20 Dec, 2013 2:19 pm

daBOODA wrote:You'd have your data duplicated on multiple cloud company's networks if you're super worried about this sort of thing, no?
This.

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Post by daBOODA » Fri 20 Dec, 2013 2:45 pm

*companies'
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Re: Cloud Storage

Post by unwritten law » Sat 21 Dec, 2013 12:16 am

Got 50gb free dropbox with my phone. Cheerin
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Re: Cloud Storage

Post by iano » Sat 21 Dec, 2013 6:19 am

Is dropbox pay upfront for lyf? Mines crept up to about 10 or so gig from referrals and extra tidbits (1 gig here and there) they give away every now and then.

For uni, it's a godsend. Soooo handy having docs and study notes in the cloud compared to a USB.
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Re: Cloud Storage

Post by dan » Sat 21 Dec, 2013 7:24 am

as an update, i have recently fscked off amazon s3 in favour of crash plan because it is cheaper and has unlimited storage.

crashplan has a free version that lets you backup to other computers (either on your local network, or somewhere remote over the internet like your parents/friends/etc computer), so i have all my computers create local "little" backups on my HTPC, and then i have a paid version of crashplan on my HTPC that creates a "big" backup of the HTPC and all the backups on the HTPC to the cloud. i also have it do the same "big" backup to a local PC so that i don't need to rip everything down from the cloud for something simple like a hardware failure.

it works pretty well. i even have my old man running crashplan free and it backs up his music/documents/etc over the internet to the HTPC, that is in turn backed up to the cloud.

it costs $60/yr and i am putting 300gb on it. valuable insurance for photos/etc.

the only fear i have is that crashplan will go broke. but i guess all of the local backups reduce that risk somewhat. the chances of someone stealing/burning all of my computers and crashplan going broke, all in the same week, is pretty remote.

fwiw, i also use dropbox at work, but mostly for collaboration. it is good at what it does, but i would't use it for backups unless i got it for free... too expensive and not enough features!!
dan wrote:i use amazon s3 for almost exactly what you want to do tim... it is good.

i back up all my photos, documents, home pornos, user profile, etc etc which total about 71gb. it costs about us$9/mo (billed per mb) for the storage space, plus us$2/mo for the jungledisk client i use to automate the upload process for me. it works flawlessly. i am a little so/so about the cost, but realistically the savings would only be ~$3/mo and it's not worth the fscking around. it has already saved my arse (in a big way) once, so i consider it something worth paying for.

alternatives are mozy.com or crashplan.com

i haven't used mozy.com, but i use crashplan to make backups between my machines at home. so my laptop backs up to both my desktop PC and HTPC, and my desktop also backs up to the HTPC, creating a local backups. this works flawlessly and is free. this means that i'd really only use the amazon/jungledisk backup if someone broke into my house and stole all 3 computers, or if my house burnt down, or whatever. but i reckon it's still worth paying for amazon/jungledisk just for that.

bear in mind that the upload times for cloud storage are pretty amazing. i think it took me a month to make my initial backup. with amazon you pay for both storage *and* transfers, so the initial upload will cost you a few extra dollars.
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Re: Cloud Storage

Post by daBOODA » Sat 21 Dec, 2013 8:06 am

Has anyone looked into transporter? You buy a transporter for each location (your house, your parents' house, your mate's house etc). Each transporter has a hard drive in it. The transporters will then sync between each other. There's no ongoing fees because it's your bandwidth. I'm pretty sure you start the hard drives off with data before you switch it all on so you don't have to do a big initial transfer.
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Re: Cloud Storage

Post by spitex » Sat 21 Dec, 2013 8:34 am

We could all just chip in and buy a 1RU QNAP NAS and put it in some of our APEXn racks? We have tonnes of space/capacity to do this.

If enough of you are keen it would be like ~$1000 once off.

If we wanted to get really serious I could then setup the QNAP to mirror to Amazon (using our private inter-connects).

Either way, food for thought.

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Re: Cloud Storage

Post by iano » Sat 21 Dec, 2013 9:01 am

60/yr for crashplan sounds awesome....while it lasts?
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Post by cGr » Sat 21 Dec, 2013 10:44 am

spitex wrote:We could call just chip in and buy a 1RU QNAP NAS and put it in some of our APEXn racks? We have tonnes of space/capacity to do this.

If enough of you are keen it would be like ~$1000 once off.

If we wanted to get really serious I could then setup the QNAP to mirror to Amazon (using our private inter-connects).

Either way, food for thought.
I'm actually kinda keen on the APEXn hosted NAS, though I'd be keen to lock down private allocations of storage. What REALLY interests me is the mirror to amazon using your inter-connects. I don't suppose I could borrow some space for a week or so? ;)

Boods: The functionality of transporter is available in crashplan's free service (which just uses software to backup to other computers on the internet as well as local hard drives). Buying the transporter hardware looks expensive ($250 for a 1tb hard drive) compared to just leaving your PC on, or upgrading storage. Whilst I think the idea of buying 1tb of backup for $250 isn't too bad, you really need 2 or 3 to make it effective ($500/$750 for 1tb), at which point I think that doing it yourself, or just paying for a backup service (and letting them worry about hard drives and storage) is more efficient over a longer period of time.

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Re: Cloud Storage

Post by spitex » Sat 21 Dec, 2013 10:59 am

Cameron, we are testing 6x 100Mbit/s connections between our DC's (customer gear) and Amazon Direct Connect - they are a private layer2 link between our network and boxes at Amazon. It's pretty sexy stuff ;)

Our link to Amazon is capable of 10Gig.

But you are right, I do worry about security of people's files on the NAS. Like, I would hate to have Eugenixx's adult collection visible haha.

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Re: Cloud Storage

Post by iano » Sat 21 Dec, 2013 11:47 am

$1k once off, does that include all necessary space? Wild stab in the dark here, I'm guessing if everyone picks this up we're going to need at least 10-15tb.

I'd be interested in this - and if any shit did go dodgy, I know where youse live ^^ moohar har :twisted:
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Re: Cloud Storage

Post by tipper » Sat 21 Dec, 2013 11:58 am

I would be keen on this also.

Be nice to have a shared section for Redline to share media also if possible.

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Post by spitex » Sat 21 Dec, 2013 2:49 pm

iano, I would need to look at the price of the QNAP chassis + hard disks - I am a little too busy for this at the moment, so maybe Cameron/Noel can do some research for you.

Power/Rackspace/bandwidth - that's what I will hand out for free. 1 or 2 RU is fine.

My Guess is we would have to evaluate who wanted to be involved and then all decide how much to chip in.

It would run RAID5 (meaning 4x 3TB disk would roughly give 9TB of storage).

... and no, remote storage ... I HIGHLY doubt you would ever need 10-15TB.

If we needed more later, just add another box (and I can put this in a different location).

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